Religion can be a great force for good. This story (sadly) proves that it can also be a force of ill.
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The May 2010 Euthanasia Prevention Coalition Newsletter can now be found at: http://www.euthanasiaprevention.on.ca/Newsletters/Newsletter108(May2010)(RGB).pdf Bill C-384 was soundly defeated by a vote of 228 to 59. Check how the Members of Parliament voted at: http://www.euthanasiaprevention.on.ca/HowTheyVoted.pdf On June 5, 2010, we are co-hosting the US/Canda Push-Back Seminar at the Radisson Gateway Hotel at the Seattle/Tacoma Airport. The overwhelming defeat of Bill C-384 proved that we can Push-Back the euthanasia lobby in the US and Canada and convince people that euthanasia and assisted suicide are a dangerous public policy. Register for the Seminar at: http://www.euthanasiaprevention.on.ca/2010SeminarFlyer(RGB)(LetterFormat).pdf The Schindler family are being attacked by a Florida television station and Michael Schiavo. The Euthanasia Prevention Coalition is standing in solidarity with the Schindler family. My blog comments: http://alexschadenberg.blogspot.com/2010/05/att
Unfortunately, this is what happens when religion -- any religion -- is allowed to run the state. Perhaps I should more specifically and accurately point to those self-appointed "leaders" of religion -- those who seize and use power for the sake of using and misusing it.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's one of the reason I fight so hard to keep that from happening in North America.
Hogwash. We live in a country run by a secular government and we kill more children in abortion clinics in a year than in the 300 years of the inquisition. Worldwide we've killed more children in the womb in the past 50 years than the death tolls of every war in history. We've just been brainwashed like the faithful Taliban believer that doing so is a morally acceptable act and its justified killing. The fight is well under way to start killing the elderly and the disabled too. No evil religion necessary.
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Paul
I totally agree with you Lady Janus!
ReplyDeleteThis is such a awful sad real story.
Did you ever read or heard about Margaret Atwood's book: "The Handmaid's Tale"?' It is a work of fiction but still it is a warning that it could easily happen?
This Offred person is a Handmaid in the Republic of Gilead, once the USA. She may leave the home of the Commander & his wife once a day to walk to the food markets, where pictures have replaced words because women are forbidden to read. She must lie on her back once a month & pray that the Commander makes her pregnant, for Offred & the other Handmaids are valued only if their ovaries are viable.
Offred can remember a time when she lived with her husband, Luke; when she played with & protected her daughter; when she had a job, money of her own, & access to knowledge. But all that is gone now.
This is a quote by the newspaper the Globe and Mail:
"The Handmaid's Tale is in the honorable tradition of Brave New World & other warnings of dystopia. It's imaginative, even audacious, & conveys a chilling sense of fear & menace."
Lina
Paul,
ReplyDeleteYou make a good point. Whether it has been a religious government or secular government, history proves both are capable of committing atrocities. This only goes to prove what the Bible says is true. "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah chap. 17 vs9.
This has been taught through the Bible since the the beginning. Ever since the fall of Adam and Eve, man has inherited a fallen corrupt nature.
The solution is on an individual basis; that is, the regeneration by the Holy Spirit. Only God can change the heart of an individual. There is no teaching that gives christians a mandate or order to try to take over the government and create a theocracy. That has been tried in the past and has been a dismal failure. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.
While it would be preferable to have christians in government as much as possible in order to have laws based on biblical principles, I don't think we can count on having a perfect government in this world until Jesus returns.
Paul, to contradict Wayne in kind, you make a lousy point. A fetus is not a child. It's removal from an unwilling uterus is not killing. Its continued existence is -- and should be -- completely under the authority of the woman whose body will play host to it for however long it takes to incubate and emerge as an actual human being. A caterpillar is not a butterfly. An acorn is not a tree. A fetus is not a child.
ReplyDeleteLina, I really, really dislike Margaret Atwood's stuff, but I sat through a showing of that movie because I wanted to know what all the fuss was about. I came out of it feeling sick and disgusted. Maybe that was the point of it...(and if so, it worked!)...
Lady Janus logic makes my point beautifully. We can justify killing innocents on a mass scale without a stitch of religion necessary.
ReplyDeleteLadies, that thing you call a baby kicking in your belly is just another acorn or caterpillar. Don't get too excited. Ignore the fact it sucks it thumb, kicks you in the ribs, has a heart beat, 10 fingers and toes. Repeat after me... Its just a blob of tissue! Its just a blob of tissue!
Cheers
Paul
Lady Janus no problem about Margaret Atwood's & her books.
ReplyDeleteLady Janus, there is one thing I do not like about the radical pro-lifers no matter what the topic is they always find a way to bring the topic back to the unborn. The abortion issue is such a easy subject for them to spread their one sided views. Granted they do have that right to voice their say.
I went to a church supper once in Wilno ON. In front of the church on the left side of the steps was a beautiful monument dedicated to the unborn. It was a pro-life monument for all those who died from abortions.
Too bad they didn't have a monument on the right side of the steps of the church dedicated to all those souls whom the Catholic clergy molested, hurt, & even killed their souls throughout endless times.
I do not like abortion. There are times abortion is necessary. Do not try to explain that to a radical anti-abortion group. All they see is a baby & nothing will change their minds. Even if the woman's life is in danger. These folks are medical professionals even though they do not have one single medical degree. That includes Bishops, Monsignors, priests, etc...
No wonder some call these radicals "fetus worshipers!"
This is my personal opinion.
To make abortion illegal, against the law is so irresponsible. It should be up to the female first, if she wants to discuss it with her partner/mate (or family, friend) & her doctor. Let her deal with the consequences of the abortion. If she is a christian let that be between her & God.
I believe God is taking good care of all those unborn that were aborted.
Lina
"Lady Janus logic makes my point beautifully."
ReplyDeleteYou're in dangerous waters, my friend. Do NOT misconstrue me so blatantly and deliberately!
Dangerous waters? Jeez this is a web forum not a gladiator arena. If I've misconstrued your stand please feel free to correct me. How else can I take it when someone likens a developing baby to an acorn or a caterpillar.
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Paul: if you purport to be an intelligent adult of the species, you need to demonstrate better reading comprehension if you don't want to be stepping all over your own tonsils.
ReplyDeleteCaterpillar, acorn, and fetus are all stages of development. They are none of them the finished product, and they are not called by the finished name. You don't eat an egg and then claim you had a chicken dinner.
Janus
ReplyDeleteI understood you perfectly, its you thats stepping all over your tonsils. The problem with your comparison is that once a caterpillar becomes a moth or a butterfly, we kill them with impunity. When an acorn becomes an oak, we think nothing of harvesting it for wood. When a chicken hatches from an egg, we think nothing of killing it and eating it. When a human is born we value that life differently and protect it with the full force of the law. Strangely that protection only extends to the life after it leaves its mothers womb.
You also argue an unborn baby isn't the finished product, but neither is it the second it exits the birth canal, nor is it as an infant, toddler, child, youth. We are constantly a work in progress. With this logic, why not allow killing the child at any of these other stages? Some radical proaborts have tried to make that argument.
Cheers
Paul
Paul, the problem with your "understanding" is that I was not making a comparison.
ReplyDeleteAs for "killing with impunity," speak for yourself. I do not.
I don't lose sleep when a giant moth hits my windshield or I smack one with a flyswatter but I am deeply disturb when doctors dismember unborn child. I guess everyone has different priorities.
ReplyDelete...And I don't lose any sleep when an angry, anglo-saxon male over the age of 65 arrogantly asserts that he can impose his morality over every woman's body.
ReplyDeleteThat you are incapable or unwilling to make a distinction between a fetus and a child is secondary to the arrogant authoritarianism you frequently spout on this site Paul.
"That you are incapable or unwilling to make a distinction between a fetus and a child is secondary to the arrogant authoritarianism you frequently spout on this site "
ReplyDeleteLOL!
I am neither anglo saxon nor angry and I'm way younger than 65. Sorry but the angry old white dude canard doesn't stick.
I do know the distinction between a fetus and a child. Its about a 3 inch journey down the uterus. Its open season on any unborn human life before they can complete that journey, up to the day of delivery. Even if the unborn child's head has emerged, its still not considered worthy of the right to live because you haven't shaken your label yet. Thats just twisted thinking in my mind and if its arrogant to oppose that. So be it.