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LCWR-Vatican tensions: Fr. James Martin sides with American sisters - Vatican Insider

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LCWR-Vatican tensions: Fr. James Martin sides with American sisters - Vatican Insider


  1. The church masters probably misjudged societal sentiment when they decided to pick a fight with the American nuns.

    I think it's a battle that they cannot win. They will likely come to regret the decision.

    Only time will tell. This will play out over years, not months. The immediate and likely continued outpouring of support for the nuns though, by catholic laity and among the general population, on the political and social stage, in America and World wide, cannot be seen as a desired positive outcome for the church.

  2. Why are they constantly showing pictures of Sisters who belong to the CMSWR and confusing the public? LCWR wouldn't be caught DEAD in a religious habit.

    1. Sister Mary Joseph, and still happy28 April, 2012

      No, they will nOT be found dead in a Religous Habit- they left their vows behind, with their Habits, the vows of Poverty Chastity and Obedience- ALL sworn to by them.

  3. Sister Marie29 April, 2012

    Sister Mary Joseph probably hasn't met a lot of sisters recently... because my community belongs to the LCWR and I wear a habit, have taken vows, and love the Church. I also live in a convent, go to daily Mass, and teach in a Catholic School. I'd expect more of a religious woman in terms of charity. Accusing a whole group of sisters you obviously don't know of breaking vows is certainly unjust, prideful, and simplistic. I'll pray for you Sister.

    Sister Marie

    PS - Vows are not sworn... they are professed.

    1. Sister Mary Joseph29 April, 2012

      Sister, you know very well the umbrella group in no way represents the majority of the Nuns in the USA. It is the leadership of that umbrella group, which claims to represent most of the Nuns in America, that I aimed my remarks at. As to my being uncharitable, your little puff about professing and not swearing vows is just a shallow attempt to divert attention from the core problem.
      If you care to , would you tell us where your Group, or perhaps where you yourself stand on the matters of Abortion, Gay Marriage and Women Priests, or married Priests.
      I , and the Group I belong to, are adamant in opposition to all of the above.
      We do not just go part way with the Roman Catholic Church, we accept all !

  4. Sister Marie06 May, 2012

    Sister, Your comment mentioned "them." I am a part of the "them" of which you speak. I brought up the vows because THEY are the MOST important part of our consecrated life - not what we wear and not our work - it's important to speak of the vows using the correct terminology and the terminology of the Church.

    In the words of my community's rule, "The sisters obey the Holy Father as their highest authority." I think that answers all your questions.

    I would ask you as well... Do you want those sisters to come back to the Church? Do you want them to live religious life? Do you want them to know God's love and to be healed of whatever has caused them to end up where they are now? Or, do you want them punished? If I were one of the "them" to whom you were speaking I wouldn't give a second thought to anything you said because it was worded so rudely and with so much judgment. What is your point in writing? Our goal as religious should be to bring more people to God's love, including other religious... do you think your comments further that mission or hinder it? Just some food for thought.

  5. LCWR Sisters could have asked the CDF to introduce them to those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire

    The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has explained that the purpose of the doctrinal assessment had been to “assist the LCWR in this important mission by promoting a vision of ecclesial communion founded on faith in Jesus Christ” and also on “the teachings of the Church as faithfully taught through the ages under the guidance of the Magisterium.”

    The assessment had found serious theological and doctrinal errors in presentations at the Leadership of Catholic Women Religious(LCWR)’ annual assemblies in recent years, with many showing “scant regard for the role of the Magisterium.”

    The rebellious American sisters who have still not been excommunicated, probably because of their leftist sources of power, and are privileged, unlike the SSPX bishops, cannot tell Cardinal Levada, “You first affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and set an example for us”.

    At their last meeting on Wednesday the sisters could have asked Cardinal William Levada Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) “Why don’t you affirm the literal interpretation of the centuries old dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, 'as was faithfully taught through the ages' ”

    Or, why don’t you issue a Doctrinal Notification to Cardinal Kurt Koch a member of the Vatican Curia and Prefect of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity, who on May 16 said Jews do not have to convert into the Catholic Church in the present times, contradicting the Bible and the Creed.

    They cannot tell the CDF to endorse the dogma since the Sisters reject the dogma and this is a cause of their rebellion, heresy and free thinking.

    It is because the Sisters have rejected the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus that they have gone into New Age etc.

    Otherwise when the Sisters were at the CDF office they could have asked the Secretary of the CDF, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J: “How can you claim that there are known cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire ? Who are these cases, exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma? “

    “How can we know a person saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) who is in Heaven? How can we telephone them or meet them on earth?”. The CDF Secretary says we can meet them. He makes this claim in two papers of the International Theological Commission (ITC).It is because he believes that we can meet these people on earth, he assumes that they are defacto exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma.

    Also he writes on the ITC website that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII, corrected Fr.Leonard Feeney for rejecting the baptism of desire etc. If this is true then the cardinal is saying that the Letter made an objective mistake. Since the baptism of desire etc are not exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma. They are in a sense irrelevant to the dogma and its centuries old literal interpretation.

    The Sisters could have asked the CDF to introduce them to those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire

    The Sisters have been rightly criticized for reported distortions of faith in Jesus and the structure of sacramental life, as well as undermining the doctrines of “the Holy Trinity, the divinity of Christ, and the inspiration of Sacred Scripture.”.-Lionel Andrades


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