The May 2010 Euthanasia Prevention Coalition Newsletter can now be found at: http://www.euthanasiaprevention.on.ca/Newsletters/Newsletter108(May2010)(RGB).pdf Bill C-384 was soundly defeated by a vote of 228 to 59. Check how the Members of Parliament voted at: http://www.euthanasiaprevention.on.ca/HowTheyVoted.pdf On June 5, 2010, we are co-hosting the US/Canda Push-Back Seminar at the Radisson Gateway Hotel at the Seattle/Tacoma Airport. The overwhelming defeat of Bill C-384 proved that we can Push-Back the euthanasia lobby in the US and Canada and convince people that euthanasia and assisted suicide are a dangerous public policy. Register for the Seminar at: http://www.euthanasiaprevention.on.ca/2010SeminarFlyer(RGB)(LetterFormat).pdf The Schindler family are being attacked by a Florida television station and Michael Schiavo. The Euthanasia Prevention Coalition is standing in solidarity with the Schindler family. My blog comments: http://alexschadenberg.blogspot.com/2010/05/att...
The tweet says "not welcome" not banned. Maybe he meant in the same way as Bishop Kaleta who said gays were not welcome at the Vatican as tourists ( http://www.slapupsidethehead.com/2009/11/gay-tourists-not-welcome-at-vatican-bishop/)
ReplyDeleteRationalist: Here's the relevant quote taken from the source article that demonstrates that it does indeed involve a 'banning'.
DeletePhilippines Congressman Manny Pacquiao would not be allowed “on the premises” thanks to Pacquiao’s outspoken opposition to same-sex marriage
If you said to a gay couple they weren't welcome at your business, you could be subject to a Human Rights complaint.
DeleteSuzanne - So the Vatican and some mall owner say essentially the same thing btut wo wrongs don't make a right. And businesses cannot discriminate against people for race,sex, colour or sexual orientation. Religions can do that however and I support their right to do so, but not businesses.
DeleteSuzanne - If people can not serve gay couples can they also not serve remarried couples, common law couples, mix religion couples, mixed race couples, religious couples. Where do you draw the line?
DeleteWe know the political pendulum has swung in the favor of the gay rights movement, and that at present, they do have all the momentum, but as this topic is debated more reason will prevail and this nonsense will come to an end. Hopefully?
ReplyDeleteIf true equality is be achieved, both sides need to be accepted, those for gay rights, and those opposing it.
Cliff
Those opposing gay marriage have the same rights as those opposing divorced Catholics from remarrying. Religiously they do not have to acknowledge their marriage as valid, they do not have to allow remarried couples into their church and they ccan ban the children of remarried Catholics from their Catholic schools. But when they operate in the public sphere, they must treat gay couples the same way they treat remarried couples. They may not agree with their marriage, but they must accept them as civilly equal.
DeleteRationalist: Given what you say is true, then on what grounds is this mall owner denying entrance to this politician who supports traditional marriage? Is he not entitled to the same equal protection under the law or is that only afforded to those who agree with the current zeitgeist vis a vis same sex marriages?
DeleteI don't expect you to agree with his position, but you should be opposed to his being denied access to this mall because of his beliefs on this issue if you are going to be consistent. I think that's all that Suzanne is suggesting. It's certainly the position that I'm taking on this issue.
Fr. Tim
Legally malls, at least in this country, can bar anyone they want (typically for security reasons). I'm not sure what the rule is in the US. Morally, however, he can't.
DeleteIn this case I don't agree that two wrongs don't make a right. It just is telling that certain Catholics want to not serve gay couples at restaurants, hotels, government offices, banks, etc. but have no complaint serving remarried couples, common law couples or just a couple living together.
Fr. Moyle and Rationalist 1- when will you tire of your foolish little debates on same-sex marriage, and homosexuality ! You think this is the only topic that generates Public interest, therefore more money from both sites for you.
DeletePlease admit that neither one of you has any desire to win these school-yard debates you feign, but just to keep them going! It is SOOO childish.Harris
Harris: First off, welcome to the blog and thank you for joining the conversation. To answer your question, I suspect we will continue discussing the subject as long as it continues to prominently covered in the media. You are most welcome to post your own opinion if you disagree with either of us.
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