Evidently Sylvia MacEachern of Sylvia's Site has been writing and publishing for a long time. This is a link to an article she wrote alleging the the Police, Diocese and professionals within the Diocese of Cornwall participated in what she alleges was a giant cover-up. It's interesting to note that after umpteen police investigations and a provincial inquiry failed to substantiate her beliefs that she continues on to make her claims. She seems fixated on the subject, her pre-Vatican II sensibilities evidently leading her to see complicit Bishops and criminal priests hiding under every rock and behind the shrubbery.
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ReplyDeleteAnd not everyone who wears the garb is a good, Holy Priest !
DeleteChalemange: The opposite is just as true! Yours is a statement with no meaning.
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Blind zealotry and a small group of true believing followers tethered to the same approach perfectly describes the current Catholic clerical class and its relatively few orthodox followers among the laity.
DeleteMost Catholics have made a separate peace with their priests and agree to disagree with them on most of the churches traditional teachings regarding sexuality, the family and domestic relationships, the nature of the eucarist, the importance of baptism, marriage within the church and how abusive priests should be regarded and disciplined by society. They live their lives accordingly.
Fr. Ballard has a post on there which uses my email name as 1 abandoned sheep. When I try to reply to it a message pops up that his reply does not work, or something to that idea.
DeleteIf his message is going to stay on there, and it can not be responded to on Fr. moyle', site, then there WILL be a response of another sort, from a different authority.
Sheep: You're most welcome to post here.
DeleteGive me the time stamp of the offending post and I'll take a look at it. If all he has done is use your internet handle in making reference to you, I don't see what the offense is. You've put it out there in the public forum by using it. But as I said, if you can narrow down the search parameter by giving me a time stamp, I'll have a look at it for you.
Your message is not entirely clear where the comment is though. If it's something on Sylvia's blog, you will have to make your request to her. Neither Steve nor I can edit, delete or post anything we previously published there.
Fr. Tim
Father, it is the one where Fr. Ballard starts out by saying he would gladly pay for couch time etc. - about three down fro your post.
DeleteI could not tell you what his reference to me is- it trails off as he says 1 abandoned sheep---. There is no way your site will accept a reply to that post, nor am I able to read the full post.
Sheep: Found it. I agree. It's gone. As to why you're having troubles replying... I am drawing a blank. All comments (except from obvious spam sites and troll traffic) are sent to me for a quick once over and then I post them. When someone contacts me or comments with information that puts an earlier comment into a different light, and because I lack the ability to edit a posted comment (ask Sylvia if she'll tell me how to do that, would ya? - silly grin) so I just delete it.
DeleteHope this satisfies.
As I said on Sylvia's blog, people from there are more than welcome to comment or post here. I often post an article that's been pointed out to me by someone in a quick email (easy to find on this blog) and would do so for articles recommended by any one there or elsewhere. I've allowed folks who hold to different convictions to publish them as articles. They do not need to publish under their actual name, so long as I know it and can communicate via email to negotiate any edits etc. It's working out really well. At least when it comes to actually creating a space in the digital world where civil and intelligent debate can take place between people of good heart and mind without the uncivil and impolite insults that masquerades as conversation on so many sites.
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DeleteSteve: No really. Once Sheep pointed out that he uses his handle as part of his email by which he organizes pilgrimages, then your comment could have harmed his work. I did not know this fact when I posted your initial comment. If I could have edited your message, I would have just deleted his 'handle' from the text... but I haven't been able to figure out how to edit comments. :~(
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For the information of both Priests, Fr. Labelle, Kingston Diocese, the one who was the subject of much accusations and emails 10 days ago, was charges and arrested yesterday with sexual abuse of 2 minors.
DeleteSheep: Thank you for the information, but he was not the subject of conversation. We were speaking about a priest from St. John diocese with a different name.
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ReplyDeleteOne would hope what you say is true, Father Steve. I have always and continue to value those among us with strong religious beliefs, Christian and otherwise, as good friends, family, co workers and neighbors. The World would be a sadder and colder place without religion. One hopes that in the end, those with strong religious faith and who live by the tenets of that faith will have organized Church structures that nurture and value them as they should. It is sadly not the case today. To often, organized religion acts as a parasite that saps the strength and vitality of true Christian virtue from its lay members, leaving them sick, weakened and imperiled by contact with it, causing them to stay away from much needed fellowship and worship that can enrich church life.
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ReplyDeleteWhat I refer to Father Steven, is how most priests make personal religious and lifestyle decisions concerning their behavior, contrary to church doctrine and dogma, keep quiet about them, often throughout the course of their entire consecrated lives, and continue publicly to chastise laity for doing the same type of thing, except the laity have courage to be open and honest with the World about their convictions and behavior. This is extremely toxic in the life of the Church and makes the hierarchical church an extremely hipocritical environment for most lay families. For example, why should a Catholic lay person who chooses to openly express their same sex orientation, be barred from full participation in the church and endure the scorn and ostracization of many when the closeted Gay priest, also sexually active, participates fully in not only church life but priviliged hierarchical authority and leadership.
DeleteAnon- That is SOOO true! A Priest recently in my area, when his sexual orientation was raised, he reminded people it was not against the law to be homosexual.
DeletePeople were stunned by that response.
it is quite evident it is more of do as I say, rather than do as I do, coming from the homilies.
Mine is a bilingual parish, and I am not even certain the French-speaking side get the same homily we get.
No longer are Jesus and the Apostles the example, but whomsoever any Priest holds up to be someone special. The Catholic Church is trying to be MODERN, not Catholic, and it is failing badly in both scenarios !
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ReplyDeleteFr. Ballard: In the Ottawa-Gatineau area for years there were Catholic High Schools who had, and still have Baptists who are the Principal. Onr Priest , who died 3 years ago, went to the Archbishop, and the Separate School Board about and got blown off.
ReplyDeleteAnother Priest was moved out of a Parish because he complained to The Archbishop about being treated badly by another Protestant principal.
A relative of ours, who is a Priest in Ottawa, told us over supper one night he had separate school teachers coming to him about the McGuinty bill for teaching about homosexauals and other deviates to the children in Catholic Schools. The school board has caved in, and the Archdiocese has been silent.
Why would we not be suspicious about who really is running the Catholic Church ?
The Catholic Church needs to figure out a way to let her children go, in peace, love and with their existing spiritual beliefs, whatever they are, intact. As it is, the church hurts itself and her children. It is a time of parting. Painful but necessary. Give the kiss of peace and walk away.
DeleteSadly, her children are finding the door on their own. You should see how poor Sunday attendance is. Especially among the younger generations.
DeleteHowever, abandoning the Church established by Christ is not the answer. In the Church resides the fulness of truth. What we need is a return to that truth from clergy and congregant alike. We must do this despite the wailing and enticements of a worldly spirit bent on the perdition of souls and Christ's church.
The truth will be bitter medicine for many and they may walk away, but accommodation and appeasement have proven to be a spectacular failure in our church and in the churches of our Protestant brothers. Keep the faith Lynne, despite the failings of some of its members.
Lynne: The Ontario Bishops have been far from silent on the subject. They've made presentations, met with government officials, issued press releases expressing their concerns etc. They have simply been ignored by the government. Once the Church accepted full funding of Catholic schools (the Davis/Miller/Peterson government initiative) they were effectively shut out of these decisions. Just as local school boards have discovered, (and some of them did resist this government mandate,) 'he who pays the piper calls the tune' and all these decisions are made by the government through the Ministry of Education.
DeleteIt is a bitter medicine indeed, but it's not from the source that you think. It's not the appeasement of the government by the Church. It's another milestone of the Church being squeezed out of the public square. Mark my words... in a very few years, the province will move to extinguish the Separate System and combine everything into one, exclusively secular education system. Remember... you heard it here first!!
Fr. Tim
Fr. Moyle, you know full well the group of Ontario Bishops has no lrgal standing in the Church nor outside of it. No on, including some of the Bishops , do not always agree with what comes out this group- which is really a group intended to share the blame.
DeleteI agree completely Tim. The pressure to dismantle Catholic Education is only getting stronger. Its only a matter of time.
DeleteI wish they'd dismantle public education entirely and move to a voucher system in many European countries but the government wouldn't want to relinquish control of the formation of our children. It really would be the fairest situation for everyone.
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Lynne: Are you having a stroke? No, really! No insult intended. Your first couple of comments were cogent and legible. This latest reads like some sort of free form poetry.
Delete1. 'Ontario Bishops HAVE no LEGAL standing either within nor outside of it.' That's just plain wrong. It means they don't legally exist - which they most certainly do.
2. 'No on(e) including some of the Bishop do not always agree with what comes out of this group - which really a group intended to share the blame.' I have no idea at all what you are trying to say. There is no point to your sentence!
Fr. Tim
Neither the Ontario or the CCCB groups have any legal authority, either inside or outside of the Catholic Church. That was proven in South America 10 or more years ago.
DeleteNo I was not having a stroke, just children acting up at the time.
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DeleteLynne: Are you perhaps referring to the Development and Peace scandals? Please remember that the Bishops are but one vote on that Board. It operates using the name 'Catholic' but that doesn't mean the Bishops have majority influence in what they do or say. It's the same with most 'stand-alone' Catholic organizations. If this is what you're referring to, then yes, you are absolutely correct. But that is a far thing from saying that the Bishops either individually or collectively have no legal standing. They just cannot impose their wishes in institutions that they do not have majority control over, such as Separate Schools etc.
DeleteI'm glad you said that you are alright! I've only had the experience of dealing with nieces and nephews interfering when I'm working on line, but they can be quite the distraction! I'm sure it's many times worse for you when the object of their attentions is 'Mom' as compared to an uncle or an aunt. I'm an occasional object of their attention. You've got the job 24/7! I promise not to make a point about the occasional typo in your comments. You've already got your hands full!
Just remember: Insanity is genetic. You inherit it from your kids!
Fr. Tim
Then why do they take up collections for D & P in the Catholic Church?
DeleteThere has never been a full auditof D & P Published as far as I know. It is like the sale of Poppies- the last known financial statement for world-wide sales was in 1948. I know the poppy sales are not the Church matter, but the analogy is the same.
Lynne: Our diocese doesn't collect money for D & P - at least not for their operations. We contribute only to their emergency disaster fund. This was a decision taken by our Bishop in the wake of the revelations that some money was going to support abortion advocacy groups. We also have twinned ourselves with Lima, Peru to which we donate many thousands every year to be used to house, cloth and educate the poorest in that diocese.
DeleteCan't speak for the rest of the country's Bishops... but that's the way we are handling things here in the Pembroke Diocese.
Fr. Tim
I'm with Lynne on this one.
ReplyDeleteI've had a priest recommend birth control in confession saying the Canadian bishops approved it. I've heard a priest tell us that nobody should be sitting in their pew come time for communion because they received general absolution at the beginning of mass followed up with homilies that often promoted contrarian opinions to church teaching and even ridiculed many church traditions. Sadly many parishioners described him as a breath of fresh air but it was rebellion they were sniffing.
Another simply refuses to recite the penitential right at the beginning of mass and has customized other words in the Mass so as not to put our religion above any other. Jesus no longer lives and reigns with You and the Holy Spirit, now "He lives and LOVES" instead. I've heard another rail against the reform party in his homily telling us not to buy into their anti-abortion crap. I was shocked.
When asked at baptismal classes why we wanted baptism for our child I volunteered my answer, to have the stain of original sin removed. I was corrected by the instructor that we don't think that way anymore and modern theological thought rejects that idea. Oddly, my Catechism does not.
I've lost blind faith in clergy, bishops and catholic educators these days. Sadly, many in the ranks have embraced heresy.
Its not all bad news however. There are some good and faithful priests and bishops out there, especially in the newer clergy. Its just no longer an assumption on my part.
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ReplyDeleteHi Father Steven
ReplyDeleteIts great to have a forum like this to share my frustration with faithful Priests like you and Tim. Thanks for the great response and wonderful advice. It kinda describes how I've been approaching the situation. I firmly believe that even if the priests I spoke of are off track theologically, when they consecrate the eucharist, I'm still receiving the most precious gift of the Mass. I agree we're all imperfect and I'm far from it myself, but I remain hopeful we will see the new spring time in our Church spoken of by JPII.
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ReplyDeleteFATHER bALLARD: You no doubt know the Fr. Miller who has been charged today. You also likely knew why he was confined to barracks, as they say in the Army, and, it would seem did not go to the Police about it when you were the Vicor.
DeleteWould you dare tell us why you sat on this file? You claimed earlier evrything elses was cleaned up in the Diocese. How could you have said that in view of today's developments? Or is this just a case of plausable deniability?
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