26 April, 2013

BIG BLUE WAVE: Banned from the Mall for Opposing SSM

I like the way that Suzanne ends this post: 

"If Christians have to accommodate gays in the Bed and Breakfasts, then gays have to accommodate opponents of same-sex marriages on their premises. 

One law for all.

BIG BLUE WAVE: Banned from the Mall for Opposing SSM

11 comments:

  1. The tweet says "not welcome" not banned. Maybe he meant in the same way as Bishop Kaleta who said gays were not welcome at the Vatican as tourists ( http://www.slapupsidethehead.com/2009/11/gay-tourists-not-welcome-at-vatican-bishop/)

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    1. Rationalist: Here's the relevant quote taken from the source article that demonstrates that it does indeed involve a 'banning'.

      Philippines Congressman Manny Pacquiao would not be allowed “on the premises” thanks to Pacquiao’s outspoken opposition to same-sex marriage

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    2. If you said to a gay couple they weren't welcome at your business, you could be subject to a Human Rights complaint.

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    3. Suzanne - So the Vatican and some mall owner say essentially the same thing btut wo wrongs don't make a right. And businesses cannot discriminate against people for race,sex, colour or sexual orientation. Religions can do that however and I support their right to do so, but not businesses.

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    4. Suzanne - If people can not serve gay couples can they also not serve remarried couples, common law couples, mix religion couples, mixed race couples, religious couples. Where do you draw the line?

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  2. We know the political pendulum has swung in the favor of the gay rights movement, and that at present, they do have all the momentum, but as this topic is debated more reason will prevail and this nonsense will come to an end. Hopefully?

    If true equality is be achieved, both sides need to be accepted, those for gay rights, and those opposing it.

    Cliff

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    1. Those opposing gay marriage have the same rights as those opposing divorced Catholics from remarrying. Religiously they do not have to acknowledge their marriage as valid, they do not have to allow remarried couples into their church and they ccan ban the children of remarried Catholics from their Catholic schools. But when they operate in the public sphere, they must treat gay couples the same way they treat remarried couples. They may not agree with their marriage, but they must accept them as civilly equal.

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    2. Rationalist: Given what you say is true, then on what grounds is this mall owner denying entrance to this politician who supports traditional marriage? Is he not entitled to the same equal protection under the law or is that only afforded to those who agree with the current zeitgeist vis a vis same sex marriages?

      I don't expect you to agree with his position, but you should be opposed to his being denied access to this mall because of his beliefs on this issue if you are going to be consistent. I think that's all that Suzanne is suggesting. It's certainly the position that I'm taking on this issue.

      Fr. Tim

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    3. Legally malls, at least in this country, can bar anyone they want (typically for security reasons). I'm not sure what the rule is in the US. Morally, however, he can't.

      In this case I don't agree that two wrongs don't make a right. It just is telling that certain Catholics want to not serve gay couples at restaurants, hotels, government offices, banks, etc. but have no complaint serving remarried couples, common law couples or just a couple living together.

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    4. Harris Tomkins29 April, 2013

      Fr. Moyle and Rationalist 1- when will you tire of your foolish little debates on same-sex marriage, and homosexuality ! You think this is the only topic that generates Public interest, therefore more money from both sites for you.
      Please admit that neither one of you has any desire to win these school-yard debates you feign, but just to keep them going! It is SOOO childish.Harris

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  3. Harris: First off, welcome to the blog and thank you for joining the conversation. To answer your question, I suspect we will continue discussing the subject as long as it continues to prominently covered in the media. You are most welcome to post your own opinion if you disagree with either of us.

    Fr. Tim

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