tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post1332317293468374850..comments2024-01-01T21:57:26.021-05:00Comments on Where the Rubber Hits the Road: Somedays it's damned near impossible to visit anywhere on the internet these days without getting into a slugfestFr. Tim Moylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-69596471672658975132012-02-09T16:49:02.464-05:002012-02-09T16:49:02.464-05:00Steve: Your talents as a prophet haven't dimin...Steve: Your talents as a prophet haven't diminished since our seminary days. You are exactly correct. C'est la vie!<br /><br />TimFr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-53253447007055224932012-02-09T16:39:32.745-05:002012-02-09T16:39:32.745-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-24303705631980048752012-02-09T00:28:29.845-05:002012-02-09T00:28:29.845-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-38647326583301704542012-02-08T23:55:34.849-05:002012-02-08T23:55:34.849-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-29774660741753500972012-02-08T23:34:31.358-05:002012-02-08T23:34:31.358-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-39436556822261613392012-02-08T22:24:38.098-05:002012-02-08T22:24:38.098-05:00Gahzuntite!! (That drove the spell check nuts!) Bl...Gahzuntite!! (That drove the spell check nuts!) Bless you!<br /><br />TimFr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-7597543832458020472012-02-08T22:23:17.946-05:002012-02-08T22:23:17.946-05:00Anon: True enough. King was not faithful to his co...Anon: True enough. King was not faithful to his commitment to fidelity in his marriage, at least sexually. Like JFK, MLK has been revealed to be consumed with an sexual avarice that he seemed unable to satiate. <br /><br />But does that mean the the words he wrote and spoke in his life are somehow now invalid? Discredited and tainted by his sexual dalliances, revealing a the handwork of some sort of demonic power behind those lessons of love and non-violent civil disobedience he taught?<br /><br />Look at this way: If God to speak to an ancient prophet through an ass, surely he can repeat the same trick using as flawed a vessel and MLK...or me... or even you.<br /><br />Fr. TimFr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-66045325638063490262012-02-08T22:08:11.612-05:002012-02-08T22:08:11.612-05:00Lucifer was the brightest in Heaven, when he refus...Lucifer was the brightest in Heaven, when he refused to serve God !<br />The truth about ML King is published in several books, andit has been known about his womanizing since about 4 months after his death. The authority on this was noneother than J. Edgar Hoover. Robert Kennedy and Sorensen knew about from Hoover. Fact- not fictionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-38174581853387231792012-02-08T21:38:23.743-05:002012-02-08T21:38:23.743-05:00A kind soul named Jon said he missed Fr. Steve and...A kind soul named Jon said he missed Fr. Steve and I on Sylvia's Site. Here's how I answered him. (Yes, I'm banned... I explain in my answer):<br />--------------- <br />Jon: I'm trying Bud. I'm trying. I post polite, respectful comment that are then wiped out by Sylvia in her continuation of my banishment from her site. (Which btw she is entirely within her rights to do.) I just never agreed to give up offering the best and most complete civil responses I can to the issues that she posts about and the comments they generate. If they stay up for a moment, they stay up for ever for nothing... and I mean nothing disappears once it shows its face even once. It lives forever digitally somewhere amid millions of miles of cables and gazzillions of servers, archives and hard drives.<br /><br />She is free not to listen... but no one can be stripped of the right to speak. The Church tried that through the Middle Ages when people complained about it. It didn't work out so well. I doubt in works any better in the digital reality.<br /><br />Fr. TimFr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-71172454153452853332012-02-08T21:15:13.826-05:002012-02-08T21:15:13.826-05:00Hell Steve, who knows? Maybe it won't be long ...Hell Steve, who knows? Maybe it won't be long before future generations will talk about times as the period when zealots, as is the days of the Witches of Salem, Massachusetts so that they can relive those days days for themselves. When passion and zealotry over rule good judgment and justice it is very easy for people to prove themselves of mob murder in some perversion of community justice. It has happened before. If folks like Sylvia and other prevail for a time, the tide will eventually turn. Ultimately they will be judged for the calumny they have wrecked and then they'll know evil they have been - even if unintentionally.<br /><br />TimFr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-85480510861326111662012-02-08T20:34:56.111-05:002012-02-08T20:34:56.111-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-76172633292982770702012-02-08T20:11:46.469-05:002012-02-08T20:11:46.469-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-4040667580918185352012-02-08T20:06:26.638-05:002012-02-08T20:06:26.638-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-694050999818236982012-02-08T17:35:17.862-05:002012-02-08T17:35:17.862-05:00Fr, Moyle, I would not use M L KING as an authorit...Fr, Moyle, I would not use M L KING as an authority on much but womanizing. It was reported he was involved in that up until about 36 hours before he died.<br />I will leave you with a quote of St. John Chrisostysym ( spelling is probably wrong)<br />He said --The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.<br /><br />Good-bye !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-50702839240689602652012-02-08T15:39:49.896-05:002012-02-08T15:39:49.896-05:00A sometime commenter who posts here (Larry Green) ...A sometime commenter who posts here (Larry Green) posted this comment on Sylvia's Site. There is a great deal to like about it, but he makes not initial error at the beginning that invalidates one point. First, here's the comment:<br /><br />"Court cases and guilty parties are often two completely different entities and that is what this site already does focus on. The solution is to ban from the site people who’s main concern is ” church image” and other even more superficial motives … and all under the insidious guise of “a profound desire to seek justice for the victims” and in the name of OUR Lord."<br /><br />The error is this: when we refuse to accept the decisions of the justice system and decide to brand the scarlet letter of scandal and moral deprivation on the reputation of those whom the system finds either not guilty or that there is a lack sufficient evidence to justify an arrest... you've arrived again at the mob rule horrors as when the justice systems of other countries fails to maintain trust in the system. Believe me why I say that any one with eyes to see can recognize how few steps further it takes to walk from the presumption of innocence and the wearing of a burning tire around your next because someone spread the word that you were a pervert or a criminal.<br /><br />The end cannot justify the means. Why is it so hard for these well intentioned zealots to realize this?<br /><br />Fr. TimFr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-19951344446185854592012-02-08T12:59:27.282-05:002012-02-08T12:59:27.282-05:00Lowell: Again you are mistaken. IF the investigati...Lowell: Again you are mistaken. IF the investigation found grounds for charges they would have been made public and other victims would have come forward at that time. Borne was investigated for at least a year before he was ever approached by the Police or the initial charges were laid. Imagine if the announcement was made immediately with other victims potentially coming forward. If a man is truly evil, would he not be tempted quickly to either buy-off/silence them off - or maybe skip town after emptying every account he can get his fingers into? If you're willing to sexually molest or a rape a child is it that far of a stretch to think he could menace victims or steal and/or misuse money that isn't his? <br /><br />Is your demand for a bucket of blood worth compromising the effectiveness of a Police investigation and possibly endangering others already victimized? When you know that the alleged has been removed for having access to children and stripped of the right to function as a priest in public? Really? You're that bloodthirsty for vengeance that nothing else will matter.<br /><br />This is the heart of my objection. Please take the time to understand it completely. Publishing the article about +Harris, Sylvia acted out of vengeance in impugning the Bishops motives and effectiveness at adequately protecting children and investigating the allegations leveled against Fr. McGuire. She made a mistake... one that she let lead her to make others such as banishing voices on the blog of those who sat she should change her course and methods and refrain from inappropriately the names of people whose reputations suffer needlessly as a result. With the consequence of fostering slander and libel to be leveled at these same voices to be spun from air and published without offering any evidence without rebuke, while ejecting me for allegedly acting belligerently in asking/demanding that proof be provided.<br /><br />That sort of behavior matches the picayune and ungenerous nature of clerics of old which he states offends her. Evidently it's true that we hate most that which we see wrong within ourselves. The trick is in recognizing this and mending our ways accordingly. <br /><br />I hope either Sylvia herself, or perhaps you returning the favor of copying and pasting these remarks on her blog. I defy anyone to allege that even one word is inappropriate to come from a priest... even if you don't think me a good example of the metier.<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />Fr. TimFr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-64910573763488684052012-02-08T12:37:04.084-05:002012-02-08T12:37:04.084-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-35225877450157719742012-02-08T12:23:05.166-05:002012-02-08T12:23:05.166-05:00Steve: Should your second point not end as follows...Steve: Should your second point not end as follows?<br /><br />'...you have exposed the underside of the priesthood when your entire set of INACCURATE INNUENDOS makes no sense at all."<br /><br />23 Christmases have come and gone since we entered the clerical state. Not once did I receive thousands of dollars in cash from parishioners and the Church. During the years at the Cathedral, any and all donations were forwarded to the Bishop. That was my only assignment with both sufficient prosperity and parishioners to be able to donate such great amounts. I've been buried in Christmas cards with wonderful notes sharing the blessings of the season. I receive gifts of Christmas baking, food and boxes of chocolates and candies sufficient to knock a small town into a diabetic coma. I have enjoyed these tokens of appreciation and festive sharing a lot more than I would the money to travel as Anon suggests.<br /><br />So, since reality is far different from the narrative that Anon is presenting, he is most likely intent on striking out at you personally than as a representation of the quality of life for most priests. He is implying that what gifts you have received are undeserved and unmerited. Evidently if he IS addressing the greater issue of the priestly life, it would be that we should never permit ourselves a moments rest away from the parish, for either vacations or days of personal Sabbath. I suggest it's probably an assessment he developed by standing on that pedestal of superiority that we priests have been properly recently knocked off of and he has climbed up there in our place! <br /><br />Hope he's good at keeping his balance! It's harder than it looks to live justly at such rarified heights... the thinning air mixed with the incense of self-righteousness can makes a heady cocktail that can make one giddy and tipsy. It can lead to making some decisions that will be later regretted - as the Bishops of the previous regimes demonstrated so tragically.<br /><br />TimFr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-19360361422662165742012-02-08T11:51:50.618-05:002012-02-08T11:51:50.618-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-89392242027107633462012-02-08T10:51:56.544-05:002012-02-08T10:51:56.544-05:00Anon: Pardon me for butting in (I appreciate that ...Anon: Pardon me for butting in (I appreciate that you're addressing Fr. Steve), but it's my blog so I jump in anyway.<br /><br />Your advice suffers from being both true and inadequate. M.L. King wrote that it was not enough for a pastor to simply pray and reflect upon the spiritual needs that he or this congregation needs. It is essential that they speak out and work to address the evils and wounds of our world too. By writing as both Fr. SFB and I do, we are embracing that challenge by confronting those who would harm the Church IN ADDITION TO fulfilling our personal and parochial responsibilities. Your remark implies a Cartesian duality that locks spirituality into the internal forum alone - vitiating it of its power of creating a true communion and graced community. It opens one as well to being seduced by Nietzsche's siren call to founding our culture not on the eternal truths that Christians hold to be true and self evident but on the shifting stands of collective relativism.<br /><br />The times are too grave and dangerous for clerics of any rank or status to remain mute in any forum. If you love the Church as your comments imply, you should be encouraging us on! Call us to do better. Chide us when we do so with a harmful lexicon. But you should be praying that those tasked with guiding and directing the Church should be singing even louder in the public square - and from the same hymnal to boot!<br /><br />Fr. TimFr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-57433034067275610582012-02-08T10:11:32.365-05:002012-02-08T10:11:32.365-05:00Fr. Ballard: I tke it then that the reason Priest...Fr. Ballard: I tke it then that the reason Priests do this kind of re-creating is because of the Jackpot time of giving at Christmas. You know, that thousands of dollars given to Priests over the years that does not get reported to Canada Revenue. <br />I will end this exchange now, because all it has done is expose the underside of the Priesthood, something I would rather not have done. Please repent and be grateful to Jesus, who died for you !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-27621868849776683272012-02-07T23:14:21.697-05:002012-02-07T23:14:21.697-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-41580307662195696452012-02-07T23:06:29.445-05:002012-02-07T23:06:29.445-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-33336601660510200042012-02-07T22:55:25.837-05:002012-02-07T22:55:25.837-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1926891106758008587.post-36620056437803133632012-02-07T22:38:58.629-05:002012-02-07T22:38:58.629-05:00Lowell Mallais invited me to post the following co...Lowell Mallais invited me to post the following comment here. Happy to obliged comments that come from any source so long as it is void of invective and attacks intended only to harass or confuse. <br /><br />--------------<br />Why should the Bishop have done what they did not do? He fulfilled his responsibility that the accused could not and would not harm any further children through the Church. He did everything that he was supposed to do even if you don’t want to admit it.<br /><br />Sorry but that don’t wash! How did his silence help other victims that he harmed to come foward and get a loving Jesus help that they are all in dire need of? It’s time for healing to/for all victims in getting professional help, regardless of where the criminal case is at!<br />Put that in your blog, if you must!Fr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.com